You also wrote “shit helps with my creative process, niceness doesn’t”. Is that true of all musicians and creatives, is that where the best stuff comes from?
I don’t think so because I know a lot of people, like Disclosure, their music don’t come from a place of pain does it? I love 'em to death, to the high heavens, they’re one of my favourites! Their music is to bring joy to people and love and it's happy, its different.
So they couldn’t make a grime record?
They could, but they are happy. Not that they haven’t been through anything, but I am very most 100% sure that when they are in the studio it’s not because they're pissed off! It’s not just because they’ve had a massive argument with their mum and then some home truths have come out and now you feel like shit and now you realise oh shit, family is powerful. It's different circumstances as to why people make music I believe, so that’s why unless some shit's going on it's hard for me to make music. It’s bad that something bad needs to happen like getting stabbed so much, to make me think oh man I’ve gotta do it. It’s silly, but if it didn’t happen I wouldn’t be so driven. So, I feel like I can’t make music unless it’s coming from somewhere, if I make a happy song you feel that there wasn’t no pain in it. That’s just me. Its like the beginning of grime is the same as punk rock.
An angry explosion of emotion?
Yeah, it’s the same thing. Because obviously we all think we’ve done something new that nobody’s done, but if you stop and be honest with yourself you will realise nothing is really new under this sun. Some people made music because it was revolution time, you know like Bob Marley. I think everyone makes music for a different reason but when it comes to being able to make it, if you make pain music and then you make 17 years and now you’re a multi-millionaire you can’t make that music again. It’s like Dizzee Rascal, he can’t make Boy In Da Corner ever again because that’s when you had nothing. I feel like his time is up, like you’ve had a career, you’ve done it, you’ve done whatever you wanted to do, you’ve won the race, go and sit down. But him himself, if you say that to him, he’ll go mad. Even when it’s time for a man to stop, he doesn’t want to. And when it’s not time for a man to stop and he gets paid he might.
Is this why you said "okay no more albums" after Godfather and now Godfather II is on the way?
Yeah, yeah. Godfather 1 did quite well, it’s like my best album I’ve done sales wise - top 10 in the UK. But the reason I wanted it to be my last one is because I done it thinking I’m gonna do this album and I’m gonna tour it for 2-3 years and then that’s it, I’ll be 40. Because at 40 you can’t be acting like a kid. So, when I said I was only going to do Godfather 1 it's because I was limiting myself. Because England is that kind of place, it’s a limiting place. Then I look at Jay and Eminem and they’re almost 50. So basically yes, you sit there and think well okay now what next? Well I don’t know next, all I know is how to do music, so it’s just battling with yourself.